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Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1970-10-04

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Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1970-10-04

Topics Live concert

Truckin', KSAN DJ Talk, 'Till The Morning Comes, Brokedown Palace, Next Time You See Me, Cold Rain & Snow, China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Good Lovin' > Drums > Good Lovin', Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones, Uncle John's Band

Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Winterland Arena
Location San Francisco, CA

Source Soundboard
Lineage KSAN-FM Master Reel > Barry Glassberg's 1st gen Reel (Dolby B Decoded) > PCM > CDR > EAC > CoolEdit2000 (see notes) > SHN
Transferred by Harvey Lubar, Tony Cortazzo, D.Winters


t01 - Truckin' is only a 00.45 second fragment with the DJ talking over at the end.
t02 - Includes DJ intro during the first few seconds. Garcia's vocals are low in the mix throughout.
t03 - FM static @ 01:54. FM dropouts at 03:51 & 03:54 were removed leaving a splice. Garcia's vocals are low in the mix until roughly 03:10 where they return to full strength.
t04 - FM dropout at 0:02 was removed leaving a splice.
t05 - Garcia's vocals partially dropout at 03:32.
t12 - FM static @ 04:03.
Entire disc was retracked with CDWave.

As an overall note when I received this recording it contained a large number of pops & clicks, plus some scattered level fluctuations. I used Cool Edit 2000 to individually fix a lot of these problems. No noise reduction or processing was used! All fixes were done by individually repositioning the waveform. All told I probably fixed more than 200 clicks so there were too many to list in this file. I also normalized a few spots of over saturated levels. I some cases I was not able to identify the problem within the waveform so a number of anomalies, typical for a 35 year old FM recording, still remain. However, I think the end result is an improvement over the previous version.

EAC(secure, offset corrected), sector boundaries verified with Shntool, and seekable SHN encoding with MKW by D.Winters - 01/23/05.


Reviewer: big cheese - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 4, 2016
Subject: sounds amazing
this show sounds amazing,phils bass in cold rain &snow woOw.must hear show!
Reviewer: Mind Wondrin - favoritefavoritefavorite - September 3, 2016
Subject: Quadcast

This show started as a one-off for the retirement of Quicksilver Messenger, along with Airplane (on their last legs), but stood out for the Dead because of a quadcast. Two radio stations colluded to broadcast in quad (so, at home you needed one receiver tuned to each), and a TV station broadcast the vid feed.

Then, it became best known as the source for a vinyl boot that was repressed with several label-names and covers. It was once so ubiquitous that, if you didn't have a tape connect, this was likely the only boot in your crates. A second night was added but has never emerged in trading circles. It may not have been recorded and was just a brief set since they went on 1st and Airplane 4th.

Unlike the FM reels, the vinyl boot (and therefore some digital sources) are half of the quad sound, being lifted from just one of the FM feeds. It had:
SIDE 1>Sugar Magnolia/Good Lovin'
SIDE 2>end of China Cat>I Know You Rider/Casey Jones/Uncle John's Band

As pseudonym58 (and others) have pointed out, this was not a tight night for the band ("we always blew the big ones"), but the highlights average things out. Till The Morning Comes is the 2nd of only 6. It was dropped before it could be ironed. Though still rough, it's one of the best of the 6 (the others being 10/31 & 12/26). American Beauty had not been released yet. This is also the 6th Brokedown and before it became an encore slot. It's very rough and with channels missing. Phil is hot this show and that's what drives an unusually good China>Rider. Jer's tone on his Guild [?] is great here. The rest sags down to a Casey Jones trainwreck. Uncle John's is the comeback but it's still a puzzling, random pick for a Workingman's bonus.

Overall = C
2 1/2 stars

China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider - gels, flows and soars on Phil and tonality

SOURCES: The cotsman.4942 is the only source that isn't pitched slow but the glassberg_winters.28363 has the most material, better clarity/image, has been cleaned up, and only needs a +1% pitch adjustment. Others play much slower. Uncle John's Band is on Workingman's Dead.
Reviewer: BRS70 - - January 12, 2015
Subject: KSAN
This source is missing the psychedelic KSAN call letter announcements. Did some one cut it out? Right after "Til The Morning Comes" there is a stereo announcement that goes "KSAN Metro Media stereo 95... San Francisco... Oakland." There is at least one more announcement during the Dead's set. I don't know why someone has to remove it from the recording. I think it adds some historical perspective to it.

By the way, there was also some post-set commentary from the DJ, whose on air name was Dusty Street. She interviewed Marmaduke (NRPS), Pigpen, and a few audience people. But the big announcement is the death of Janis Joplin, which is confirmed on air!

Bay Area store Pacific Stereo does some commercials too, advertising a new TIAC tape recorder machine.
Reviewer: Peckster - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - October 11, 2013
Subject: I was there
I recall this great concert. In fact, I was on the video portion done by KQED for a minute when they turned those camera lights on and I was dancing up a storm. People the next day said they saw me. But my question the videos of this concert exist anywhere? I have never been able to find them even through KQED. Good times those days...good times
Reviewer: feldspar - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - July 15, 2013
Subject: @ daevid
I had that same Steal Your Face picture disk, dude...still have it, in fact. I had no idea what show it was from until I investigated on this site, either. Some very interesting things going on here that are completely unique from other things I've heard the Dead do. That disk is legendary to me, and therefore this show is.

The jam after drums on Good Lovin', crazy Jerry followed by the trading of licks between everybody? The transition between China/Rider with Phil out front and Bob mixing up the soup? Some of the unique highlights for me. Great stuff.

I also had a Standing Sam picture disk, which I still have. 1970 acoustic set that turned out to be Dick's Picks #8 much later.
Reviewer: DMT - - April 24, 2012
Subject: .
This is the day Janis Joplin died. And a week after Jerrys mother passed. He spent the rest of his life "going down the road feeling bad".
Reviewer: marleon - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 26, 2010
Subject: great set, lousy show
The Dead played first that night, and were wonderful. The threesome of Cold Rain, China Cat and I know you rider were off the charts. I particularly like how high in the mix Phil's bass is. The Airplane were mediocre that night, with Marty Balin singing out "I need a new band" after the set, and Quicksilver played with horns! Not a great show like 4/15/70, but a great set by the Dead. No one around me that night had any idea Janis Joplin had died. And contrary to the fanciful musings of Mr. Olson, I certainly didn't see any garbage pails of lsd. If I had I wouldn't have been insane enough to drink 6 dixie cups.
Reviewer: daevid - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - June 6, 2009
Subject: Steal Your Face Picture Disc
Back in the late 80's I bought a Steal Your Face Picture Disc, otherwise unmarked. Thanks to this site I know that this is the show.
This has always been my favorite Dead recording (maybe second to Maples Pavillion (72, 73, or 74). Jerry using the wah wah, and Phil's bass sound great. My friend use to call the bridge section of Uncle John's Band Phil's trip. ah old times
Reviewer: oh_uh_um_ah - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 21, 2009
Subject: The GRATEFUL DEAD "Live On Stage" October 4, 1970, at the Winterland Arena, San Francisco CA, U.S.A.


Super 70' Soundboard!

A "Must Have" show...

This show has always been one of my favorites through the last 39 years. I still have it on LP by Mammary Presents, or could only fit about 30 minutes on an LP, so I never heard the whole show until I found it on the Archive.

I highly recommend adding this show to your 1970 GRATEFUL DEAD collection. This is a fantastic show, the GRATEFUL DEAD are in time, in tune, and incredible.

This is my favorite version of "China Cat Sunflower" into "I Know You Rider". Garcia's solo is magical, mystical, and mythological. The boys never performed it like this again...

"Sugar Magnolia" is sweet. Garcia works his Wah-Wah pedal like a sorcerer.

This is my second favorite version of "Sugar Magnolia" next to the one with Duane Allman on April 26, 1971 at the Fillmore East, NYC. I downloaded that show off the IA when you could. Here's where you can't download it anymore:

I love the "sound" of this show...KSAN did something right. Phil's sound is fat and funky.

This show was heavily bootlegged back in the day. In 1971 I remember the record shop next to the Fillmore East selling copies of this show on LP's for $15.

Without this show in your collection you cannot be taken seriously as an aficionado of the GRATEFUL DEAD.

One of the best versions of "Good Lovin'" I've ever heard. My favorite of all time.

Thank you Mr. Harvey Lubar, Mr. Tony Cortazo and D. Winters for all your hard work in improving the quality of the sound of this show and sharing it with all of us. Most of us wouldn't know you guys if you stood next to us, but we want you to know we are Grateful for your efforts. Thanks for keeping the music we love alive.

Here's one way to download this show:

The IA recommends users of Windows XP view this web-page with RealPlayer. RealPlayer is a free media player you can download at

For easy streaming or downloading use RealPlayer. Click the VBR M3U link to open the songs in the Playlist. If your Playlist is not open, open it by clicking the Playlist icon at the lower right hand corner of RealPlayer. Once the songs are in the Playlist, double click the song to play it, then click the record button at the lower left hand corner of Realplayer to record it. When the red line reaches the other end click the stop button to download the song. Your song is in the RealPlayer Downloads folder. Repeat these steps for each song.

Eat, Drink, Be Merry and Listen to the GRATEFUL DEAD.

Thanks for the Love from 1970.

PS: Remember to click the "DeadLists Project" link and get the poster/handbill for this show.
Reviewer: Jeffrey Olson - - April 22, 2007
Subject: Geary Blvd Decision
I remember this concert very well. There were two of the infamous garbage cans full of electric koolaid that came out when the Dead began to play. I drank six dixie cups and that was all she wrote...

I'd left home for the first time for college and drove in from Stockton to see the Dead with new friends. Four of us in a black 63 beetle with no back seat.

The acid didn't take long to hit, and with the KQED tv cameras pointing at the audience with the lights up, it felt like the world was watching me freak out - which I did.

It was the only time a hallucinogen got the better of me. I sat in the bug on Geary Blvd outside of Winterland for two hours, realizing that life was going to be many years of pain, so why not end it right now, and shorten the process.

I didn't and never thought about suicide again.

I remember watching the poor souls come straggling out, huddling, clutching each other, in twos and threes, tripping their way into the San Francisco night. There must have been a couple hundred people who left before the end of the last set.
Reviewer: d_berlinguette - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - March 27, 2007
Subject: Phil's chops
Phil's vocals were pretty dominant back then. I started seeing them in the mid eighties and the audience had to beg the guy to sing something.

Great to hear. Compliments the rest of the band well.
Reviewer: MushroomEagle - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - April 21, 2006
Subject: Janis?
No one yet has mentioned that this show actually took place THE day that Janis Joplin died....just alil history...TIGHT show. Sign this to get dead soundboards back for download:
Reviewer: fmichael - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 24, 2006
Subject: a kickin' set
Brokedown Palace blows this thing away.
Reviewer: sekander - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - August 30, 2005
Subject: Great show, but be apprised....
This was the first time I saw the Dead and it still stands as one of their best. You should know that this was one of the rare quadrophonic broadcast experiments of the day. That means that two stations, KSAN and KQED each broadcast half of the show. What you are getting here is only half of the mix. An interesting take, but ultimately unsatisfyingly incomplete. Download it to hear Weir and Lesh's vocals upfront. Kind of like the Beatles' mid 60s albums (Revolver)with that weird, radical stereo mix.
Listen to the power and energy in this set. The Airplane and Quicksilver were to follow so they had only an hour and change to get it all in. (Or blow the other bands away)!!
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